Something fun went out the door today!  Have fun James.

Dave

 

Sometimes I just end up with photos that are beyond my photographic skill. Take enough shots and you are bound to end up with a few interesting examples. Here are two from today.

Dave

 

 

It’s a cold and snowy day in Bozeman today and frankly not so nice. No ride for me today. It looks like we might be in for a string of this Montana spring weather which means I’ll get lots of work done.

I’m in the middle of building a lugged Terraplane at the moment and just finished up the fork. I like building with this crown as it gives me plenty to shape, contour and make it my own.

The photos show the major steps of the build.

 

The first photo shows the crown is brazed to the steerer and everything is loaded into the jig, covered with paste flux and ready to braze.

The second shows the crown still hot after brazing and covered with the melted flux.

The third shows it after the flux is soaked off and before any finish work or machining was done.

The fourth and last show the fork ready for paint. It’s been machined, aligned, and finished and now set aside while I build the frame that goes along with it.

 

Later,

Dave

 

 

 

 

You might recall that in my first ever blog entry I mentioned that I’d occasionally be pulling stuff out of the past and posting it here. The below was written and posted on the Serotta Forum ( http://www.serotta.com/forum/ ) a number of years ago in response to a thread about drvietrain stiffness and chainstay shapes and bending. It’s a bit long but I think you’ll find it interesting. Step into the way-back machine now……………….

 

Hey,

This is a favorite subject of mine.

I’ll say up front that I have no idea what bike you might like best. I’ll leave that alone.

First I’ll say something that you won’t hear from many builders…….curving or bending the stays into any configuration other than straight will make the stays flex more. There are very few absolutes in life but this is one of them. Curved stays flex more than the equivalent stay without the bend. They won’t flex a lot more……just a little. It depends on the type of bend and the degree of bend. One thing is for sure, the bent stay can never be stiffer due to its bend. The biggest reason to bend a stay is to allow for better clearances with tire and chainring. This is a bigger deal on mountain bikes than road but true nonetheless.

In any given material, stay diameter is the biggest factor in determining the stiffness. The bigger the diameter, the stiffer the stay. The problem is that if you make the stay bigger in diameter you run into clearance issues with both the chainrings and tire. So….. most stays are about the same in this regard. One can use huge stays (Big Leg Emma) but then you need big, deep dents to allow for the clearance room and the dents go a long way to negating the gains in stiffness made by the larger diameter stay.

There is a current trend in frame design to control BB flex with a big-arse downtube. This may feel like a good thing at first and it will certainly help with front derailleur rub but in the end it does not make for a stiffer bottom bracket. It’s often overlooked but it’s the chainstays that make the drivetrain stiff. A big downtube might be good for other reasons but it doesn’t do squat to make for a stiff drivetrain. A Slingshot frame is a great example of this. It’s simple when you think of it. The energy goes into the frame at the BB and goes to the rear wheel………and the only thing between the BB and the wheel is the chainstays. This is one of the big issues in designing a good Ti bike for a big or heavy rider. Titanium is much more flexible than steel. The way to make it as stiff as steel is to make the diameter much larger. But this has it’s own clearance issues. So they make the stays oval (making them stiff in the vertical direction and soft laterally…….not ideal) or they put in huge dents which has it’s own issues. So most Ti builders compensate for the wimpy stays with a huge downtube. And like I stated above this has little effect on true drivetrain stiffness. This is one of the reasons that many larger folks feel that Ti bikes don’t have the snap they are looking for and why it’s fallen out of favor with many racers.

When pedaling a bike out of the saddle chainstays are asked to do a number of different things. They undergo compression which is easy for almost any stay design to deal with as the loads are low. They undergo a torsional (twisting) load which most stays deal with fairly well regardless of shape. Larger diameter helps a good bit with the torsion. The other thing that happens to stays is that they see a lateral bending load as the BB is pushed from one side to the other. This is where ovalized stays can get in trouble. An oval tube has a major diameter and a minor diameter. There is a pretty good rule of thumb that addresses how an oval tube will flex compared to a round tube. The oval tube will flex about the same as a round tube that has the same diameter as either the major or minor diameters of the oval. In other words if you have an oval tube that is 30mm by 17mm in cross section it will flex about the same as a 30mm round tube in one direction and about the same as a 17mm tube in the other direction. So if you think of oval chainstays you in effect get the lateral stiffness of a rather small round tube.

For all the above reason I feel that a round stay is best. You get the most bang for the buck in ever direction. You get good clearances with minimal denting and you get a nice stiff stay and drivetrain.

Wow…………that’s more writing than I thought it would be. Thanks for sticking with me.

 Dave

 

 

I posted this article on 3/17/07. You can read the entire thread in context if you like here -

http://www.serotta.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27202&highlight=chainstay+stiffness

 

Until next time,

Dave

It’s Friday and that usually means it’s shipping day. Today a fillet frame I just finished is going out to JB for paint. I took a few photos of it and liked this one in particular.

It’s a photo of the stainless face option on the dropouts. I braze on a thin stainless face to the dropout so that the area the quick release skewer grabs is free of paint. I’m not a fan of the stainless dropout due to the poor fatigue properties of stainless steel. Going the stainless face route I can use a very tough forged steel dropout and still have the benefit of the stainless area under the skewer.

All that and I just liked this photo. Enjoy your weekend.

Dave

NAHBS show season officially ended for me today. I got all my boxes back from the show and unpacked and repacked them and got them all sent off to their new homes. This is the last show related thing I’ll do until the signing up for and prep for next years show.

All of the bikes I brought to the show were on loan from their generous owners and I can’t thank them enough. If it wasn’t for them I’d literally have nothing to show. A special thanks goes out to James, Robert and last but certainly not least , Jack. You guys did me a huge favor and it’s appreciated.

I hope your bikes give you years of service and pleasure.

Now it’s time for me to get back to “normal” work. I look forward to getting back to the bench full time.

Here are a few photos of the bikes I brought to Indy.

 

Dave

 

Over the years I’ve had folks ask how long I’ve been in the bike business, how I got started and how I ended up opening my own shop. Since I’ve been involved in the bike biz for 30 years now it’s not a short story but here goes.

Some of you might have read about the JK Special and my father ( http://www.kirkframeworks.com/jk_special.htm ) building me my first bike when I was young. Little I did I know then that my lot was cast.  He instilled an interest in bikes and mechanical things that keeps me busy to this day. A few years after he passed away my Mother remarried and we moved from downtown Rome NY to the suburbs where there was room to ride and trails to explore. It’s those trails that lead to BMX for me. All the kids raced through the woods, built jumps and acted like kids. Some of us took it more seriously than others and I entered my first official BMX race in Syracuse NY in about 1978 or so while in high school. BMX became all I could think about.

During my final year of high school in 1980 I found out bike shops were the coolest places on the planet and I started hanging out at Dick Sonne’s Ski, Hike and Bike ( http://www.dicksonnes.com/ ) in New Hartford NY. I’d never had a job before but I knew I wanted to work there so I asked the manager Steve for a job. I was told they didn’t need any help and I left dejected. But I talked with one of the wise old guys in the back room, Peter O., and he gave me a piece of advice that changed my life. He told me to show up at the shop every morning 15 minutes before the doors opened and be standing there when the boss arrived for work. I took his advice and each morning I got there and waited and the boss would come and tell me he didn’t need any help and I would leave to come back the next morning. On the 4^th day he hired me. I ended up working there for six years on an off and I was taken under Peter O’s wing and he taught me everything I could absorb. The key thing that he taught me that really stuck with was to never take short cuts and the quality of the work you did would be noticed.

Shortly after high school was over a friend and I took a road trip to Florida to meet girls. I did meet a girl I liked very much and I fell in love with the Florida weather and the fact that I could ride my BMX bike year round. I shocked my parents when I got home and told them at 17 I was ready to move from NY to Florida on my own. Somehow they let me and I was off. I lived in the very small military town of Niceville Florida. It was very “nice”. I enrolled in school there and studied art at first and then moved to mechanical drawing and design. I moved to Pensacola Florida and got a job at a newly opened bike shop called Cycle Source, worked for Tom and Lee and started racing BMX seriously. There were a number of local tracks and I lived at them. I ended up with a coach and a sponsor and lots of miles on my little Ford Courier pickup truck. I raced all over the southeast and got pretty good at the BMX thing winning some state titles and national rankings.

During breaks from school I would head back to NY and race and work at Dick Sonne’s. It was then that I branched out into road and mountain bike riding. The shop gave me a Raleigh International and I started entering road races and doing better than I thought I would. I also got my first mountain bike and entered my first off road race. My girlfriend was a road racer and was headed to New Hampshire for the road nationals so I went part way with her to Massachusetts to the first annual Ross International Stage Race. I didn’t know enough to be scared and just jumped in with both feet on this 3-day stage race. When signing up I was asked what class I wanted to race and I said “pro” with too much confidence, as I was a pro BMX’er. How hard could it be? I didn’t know enough about the scene to know that folks like Ned Overend and John Tomac were big names and I raced as hard as I could and while I didn’t do particularly well in any one stage I did mange a 7^th overall in GC. It was at this race that I first met the framebuilder J.P. Weigle. He was racing the most wonderful fillet brazed bike and I’ll never forget it. I guess I’d never really thought about framebuilding before this. Bikes just existed and I didn’t really think about the men and hands that made them. Seeing his work and meeting J.P. Weigle changed all that. I now needed to be a framebuilder.

It was about this time that I moved back from Florida and lived full time in NY and raced whenever I could on whatever bike I could. I raced BMX, road and mountain but enjoyed racing offroad the most. One night the phone rang at my parent’s home and my mom answered it and yelled to me “some guy named Ben Serotta is on the phone”. I of course knew exactly who he was and thought it must be a friend teasing me. No way Ben Serotta would call me. But it was Ben and he told me he’d heard of me (Rome NY was about 2 hours away from Saratoga Springs where Serotta was located) and asked if I would be interested in coming out to interview for a job as a mechanic. Hell yeah. I drove out there and met Ben briefly and had interviews and in the end was offered the job. I of course took it. I gave notice at Dick Sonne’s and was ready to start a new chapter. I was getting ready to find a place to live in Saratoga when I got a call from the person at Serotta who hired me named Rory. He told me they were a bit behind schedule and I should give him a call in a few weeks. Two weeks turned into 4 and then into 8 and then he stopped taking my calls. Obviously there was no job there. Steve Sonne was very good to me and let me stay on even after giving notice.

About a year later I started working at a shop in my hometown called The Schuss shop ( http://www.schussshop.com/ ). The Schuss Shop was best known as a ski shop and I was hired to set up a bike department for them. I spent two good years there and learned a huge amount about business and customer service from Dan that serves me well to this day. Then the phone rang and it was Ben Serotta again. I thought, “Oh great, here we go again” but listened to what he had to say. He’d just found out how I was treated two years previously and wanted to apologize to me and ask if I would like to interview again. It turns out that maybe Rory wasn’t very honest and had done the same thing to others and Ben hadn’t known about it. Since Rory was gone I got back into the car and headed to Saratoga Springs to interview. The night before I was to go I was goofing around on my observed trials bike and hopping around on a log at dusk and was attacked by a swarm of bees. Great, my hands were so badly stung and so swollen I couldn’t even reach into my pocket to get my car keys. This was going to go very well.

I went to the interview and was excited to see that they had moved from the barn with the chicken coop paint booth (I couldn’t make this stuff up) to a renovated schoolhouse that looked luxurious in comparison. The interview was going well and I spoke with Ben and many others and the last person I spoke with was Kelly Bedford. Kelly asked me a few questions and then took me down to the shop and was going to have me show my hand skills with a file. Well I pulled my hands out and put them in all their swollen glory up on the desk and told him I didn’t think I could do that. They were huge. Interview over. Ben called a few days later and offered me a job as general shop help for $6.50/hr. Not big money even in 1989 and it was about ½ what I was making at the Schuss shop but I had to give it a try. I gave notice at the Schuss and moved to Saratoga. This was 1989.

My first day in Saratoga I looked across the street and was surprised to see someone I knew. It was David Olivares who was the Trek rep that serviced the Schuss shop. David and I became great friends and riding partners and it was a wonderful welcome to a new town. I spent 10 years in Saratoga working for Ben and learned more in that ten years than many get a chance to in a lifetime. It was hard and dirty work but very rewarding. I started out in the production shop operating the sandblaster and moved on from there. Serotta (http://www.serotta.com/ ) was a great place to work because it was growing fast which always meant that there was an opportunity to move up and I took every opportunity I was given and then some. I think this history has been detailed elsewhere so I won’t bore you with the details but I will say I went from being a shop guy to being the custom builder who built all the customs and pro team bikes to being the head of R&D (the whole dept to be honest). I stayed at Serotta for 10 years and it was a mix of some of the best years of my life along with a few of the worst. There was lots of turmoil business wise and it could be a very stressful place to be but I loved being at my desk, the drawing board or my bench and the work itself was always challenging. The freedom Ben gave me to learn and develop new things was unusual and special and I can’t thank him enough for that.

It was during this time that I met the lovely Karin Bohacek. She was the president of the Skidmore College cycling club (http://www.skidmore.edu/studentorgs/cycling/ ) and was running a mountain bike race in the woods around the Skidmore campus. My real racing days were behind me but I wanted to be around this woman so I was off to the races. We were married in 1995 and Peter O. from Dick Sonne’s was my best man. On our first date Karin and I talked about wanting to live and ski in the mountains and that desire never left and after being at Serotta for ten years I left Sarartoga with Karin to start a new life in Bozeman MT.

We picked Bozeman after taking a ski vacation in the area and feeling very at home here. Karin went to grad school at Montana State University and I took a winter off from work and got lots of time on the snow. But I needed to work and I’d heard there was a framebuilder in Bozeman so I went and introduced myself to Carl Strong (http://www.strongframes.com/ ). He offered me a job and I was happy to have the work. Carl and I went through a lot together and started a business called Acme and the two of us along with the then new owners of Ibis were partners. We built lots of steel Ibis bikes here in Bozeman along with a good number of Strongs. It turned out that the folks that bought the Ibis name weren’t as honest as original owner of Ibis, Scot Nicol, had been and they ripped us off big time. A hard lesson was learned and we moved on.

For a few years following this I worked a bit for Carl and also worked at the Bridger Bowl Ski area (http://www.bridgerbowl.com/ ) as the supervisor of the snowboard school. I’d never done anything like this and it was a huge change to not earn my living with my hands. I also spent a summer working on a water well drill rig trying to not lose my fingers in huge machinery and realized that while my boss Kevin was very cool it was not for me.

It was then that I got a call from Ben Serotta (see a pattern here?) and he told me that they were in a bind and that they needed help with some work back in Saratoga. He flew me back and I worked long and hard for about 10 days building CSi’s they had on order but couldn’t build. Before I left for home we struck up a deal for me to build CSi’s from Bozeman. I built about 60 CSi’s from my little corner of Carl Strong’s shop before the reality of the cost of shipping stuff back and forth set in and Serotta decided stop Bozeman production.

I was all tooled up and building again, doing the lug work I liked so much but had no work. It was then, in June 2003, that I started Kirk Frameworks and set up shop in our home. I’ve been building here ever since and now almost 6 years and over 200 frames later here I am. I no longer work at Bridger Bowl but play there a lot and Karin works there as a ski instructor. Carl Strong and I are close friends and we travel to shows like NAHBS (http://www.handmadebicycleshow.com/index_01.htm ) together and rely on each other when an extra hand is needed. I still talk with Ben whenever I can and stay in touch with a few of my old Serotta friends and get back to Saratoga for some riding with old friends when I can.

I see myself living in Bozeman, being a builder and doing what I do until I can’t do it anymore. It’s a wonderful place to live and work an I count myself as lucky.

That’s the long and the short of how I ended up doing what I do, where I do it. Thanks for reading.

Dave

I’m back to building today and I must say that feels good. I could do this everyday. Maybe I should consider a career in framebuilding. I just started a fillet bike for Malcolm and got the front triangle brazed today.

Included today is a photo of  seven of the eight founding member of The Framebuilder’s Collective. This was taken this past weekend at the show. It’s too bad Darrell McColloch of Llewellyn Bikes couldn’t make it. Something about Australia being far away.

From left to right are - 

Dario Pegoretti, Richard Sachs, Curt Goodrich, yours truly, Sacha White, Nick Crumpton and kneeling in front is Mr. Carl Strong.

I wonder what the heck I’m looking at?

Dave

 

It’s Monday afternoon and we just got back from NAHBS and it’s good to be home. We had no bad weather to get in our way but I think the folks going east might have a hard time.

I was reading some stuff on the forums about the show and wanted to toss in my opinion on the show and share a bit of behind the scenes stuff. First off it was the best NAHBS that I’ve done. The venue was fantastic, the hotel close and comfortable and plenty of places to eat within a few blocks walk. In a word – perfect. People seemed to come from everywhere and despite the gloomy economic news it seemed like they came to buy. Last year we might have had more folks walk through the doors but it seemed that this year more came in the mood and position to buy……… and frankly for us builders that’s a big deal.

Most all the stuff I’ve seen online about the show has naturally been from the consumer perspective, as one would expect. I thought I might give you a small taste of what it’s like to be on the other side of the fence as someone who is showing their goods.

Since we flew to the show this year Carl and I had all our stuff waiting for us when we got to the convention center. This is a rare treat compared to lugging it all around trying to find the venue and the shortest way from the loading dock to the booth. It went something like this.

Thursday – Summer camp begins

Our plane landed on time at about 1:00 in the afternoon and we grabbed a cab from the airport to the host hotel. The driver seemed to be more than a bit far sighted as he’d stay on the gas right to the last possible moment and then stand on the brakes to keep us from hitting the car in front of us. 20 minutes and $35 later we were at the hotel. Called Carl and arranged to meet him in the lobby and then went over to find all our boxes stacked neatly in the booth. Very cool. We set up slowly and carefully and had the whole thing up and ready in a few hours. Now we had a pile of 15 big boxes to store somewhere. No problem - the guys can take them for us and bring them back on Sunday evening. They take them away and present us with a $400 bill to move our boxes. Not cool. After some mild panic show director Don Walker got it straightened out and we (and everyone else) didn’t have to pay. I don’t really like $400 surprises much. While we’re setting up there is a constant buzz of forklifts and ripping tape around us as everyone sets up. It’s a very hectic and nervous scene and it tires you out just being there.

Everywhere we go we of course run into other builders……… the IF guys in the elevator, Henry James walking down the street, Mike DeSalvo in the lobby. It’s really fun stuff

Back to the room for a quick shower and Karin and I made plans with friends Richie Sachs and the lovely Deb for dinner. Good conversation and an early evening.

So far so good.

Friday – Show time

There is a “mandatory” meeting at 8:15 am and after a not so good night of sleep in a strange bed I’m there. It seems as if maybe the message didn’t get out to every one as there were only about 25 exhibitors at the meeting. Fun to see some of the worlds top builders holding a coffee trying to get rid of their bed-head while trying to wake up before anything important happens. Friday morning has a “press and industry” time from 9-11:00 and I talk with a few press folks who are also sleepy and a few industry folks. It seems like “industry” means you know a guy who used to work at a shop a long time ago but they are nice folks and it’s all good. At some point I get pulled away to go have official photos taken of me with a bike and it’s cool and dark in the HUGE room they are using for photos. It’s fun the see the cool camera gear and watch a pro work. Back in the hall everyone is polishing bikes and straightening T-shirts on their tables and it’s nice and quiet. But not for long. At 11:00 the doors open and there is a steady stream of folks coming in. Not a big wave thank goodness, but a steady stream. I have a few folks walk straight to me, introduce themselves and plunk down a deposit. It’s cool that they wanted to give it to me in person instead of mailing it.

Friday was busy all day. I hear later that more came through the gates than last year in Portland. So much for “no one will come to a show in the mid-west in winter”. There are lots of good people asking good questions. Little to no time for lunch but Karin brings me some food and I steal away for 10 minutes to eat it, use the rest room and get some water and then back at it. The show closes at 6:00 pm and I’ve talked more in one day than I have any day since last years show. My back is toast and my feet not much better but it was a very good day.

Karin and I have a quick bite to eat and it’s back to the room. We pass by the bar in the lobby and it looks like not everyone is taking it easy tonight as there are plenty of beer fueled conversations going on. Looks like fun but I need to save my voice, which is on the edge as it is.

Saturday – The Big Day

Saturday is the biggest day usually and this one does not disappoint. They were lined up in the aisles 4-5 deep at times and I feel bad that I can’t talk to everyone who wants a bit of my time. Most booths are seeing the same thing; a few sad ones are not. I’m now in the groove and feeling energetic and really having fun. My booth mate Carl and I are all but 15’ apart we don’t have a chance to even say hello to each other until the end of the day. Did I mention it was busy? Ben Serotta stops by to catch up for a few minutes early in the day and people are taking our picture together. It’s cool but feels a bit strange. Ben looks well and was excited to be at the show. Sadly everyone is so busy I don’t see him again after this.

At the end of the day they turn the lights off to let you know it’s time to go away. The Serotta forum dinner gathered up and about 40 of us made our way to dinner and our local host Mike steered us well and we had room for all of us and good food and beer. I got to sit next to Curt Goodrich who I’d never met before this show. It was good to get to know him and the documentary filmmaker across the table. Very cool folks one and all. Lots of stories told and questions asked and it was fun to put a face to the screen name. FWIW Bumble Bee Dave does not were zebra stripes all the time.

We call it a fairly early night as Karin’s stuffy nose turned into a real cold. On the way through the hotel we stumble across the “secret party” which I think was organized by the folks at Indy Fab. I hung out for a bit and talked with old friend Kelly Bedford but then went back to the room for a bit a bit of reading before bed.

At this point of the show it’s hard to remember what day it is and how long we’ve been there and it’s a total immersion type thing. Turning on the radio in out room and listening to NPR is a wake up call that life indeed goes on outside the show.

Sunday – Winding down

I oversleep and wake up with Carl ringing the room phone wondering why I’m not at a breakfast meeting for The Framebuilders’ Collective. I quickly pull on some clothes and run to the restaurant and we have a good meeting and get things checked off the list. We don’t have the chance to meet but once a year at the show so we need to make the most our time.

The show opens earlier today and everyone has that deer in the headlights look. Unlike previous years I actually have more energy today. Polish the bikes, get the shirts out, a fresh stack of business cards and get a fresh bottle of water before the doors open. It’s become a routine and almost feels “normal”. It’s slower today, which gives me time to make the rounds and look at some bikes. We get precious little time to do this really. I think I saw about ½ the show at best. There is just no time to get it done. I walked to the Campy booth first thing in the AM to talk with them about the new gear and they had packed up and gone home. I guess they had something better to do – not cool.

This day is much like the previous two but easier as we are in the groove and it’s a bit slower. I talk and shake hands and do my best to remember names. I also have a pretty steady stream of new builders that want my thoughts on business and tooling and they are for the most part respectful of my time knowing that my first priority needs to be taking care of my customers but a few feel the show is some kind of job fair set up for them and that they are entitled to my time and thoughts while paying customers wait. I see a few of them going booth to booth to get their free advice. I really like helping however I can but their not caring that I have customers waiting to talk with me makes me feel awkward about having to brush them off so I can pay attention to others. I can’t stand being put into that position. Cool that they are excited but not cool that they can be so rude.

The day goes very quickly and it’s soon awards time. The awards come and go and it’s now time to get our boxes and pack our stuff up to be shipped home. If set up is hectic teardown is doubly so. Forklifts and tape guns and packing material everywhere. One needs to move slowly to not damage the show bikes and it takes real restraint. The room is buzzing with folks trying to beat the teardown deadline. Bill from Serotta keeps coming to my booth to barrow pliers – running back and forth each time. We get it all done in a reasonable time and head back to the room for 20 minutes of lounging before a bunch of us head to a brewpub for dinner. So-so food but great company makes it a fun evening. Telling old stories and talking business mixed seamlessly. The Strongs, Sachs, Mike DeSalvo, Joe Bell, Nick Crumpton, Jim Mewkill, the two Erics and Karin and I all have a good time. The lovely Deb makes sure we sit boy-girl-boy at the table and not next to our spouse so we have lively conversation.

We head back to the hotel and decide to have a nightcap in the bar. As much as we all want to be home we don’t want the weekend to end and have to wait another year to see some of these good people. A drink and good conversation and then just as quickly as it started summer camp is over and the traveling circus is over.

Off to bed and up early to catch our flight and we are home Monday afternoon.

Monday – back home

Back home now and trying to get back into the routine. Lots of emails and calls to return over the next few days and then when the bikes get back to me from the show lots of packing and shipping to do.

It was a great show. The best ever as far as I’m concerned. It was a perfect location and I’m glad Don took the risk of having it in Indy. I look forward to next years show and hope it’s in a new spot to make it accessible to different folks. I’ll go wherever it is. In a few weeks I’ll get an email from the show asking me to sign up for next year and all the planning will start over and go on for the next 11 months.

I hope you all can make it to next year’s event. It’s a special time and while the bikes are cool it’s the people that make it an even to not miss.

See you there.

Dave